[Ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group] WWIII Developer Meeting Minutes -- Wed Nov 16 (IMPORTANT info inside)

[Isaac Ginis]

I agree with Will...Isaac


On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Perrie, William <
William.Perrie at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> In my thinking, the citation should be "WW3DG (2016)", and then a full
> listing of the contributors in section 1.4.
>
> Best regards
> Will
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group] WWIII Developer Meeting
> Minutes -- Wed Nov 16 (IMPORTANT info inside)
>
> Dear all,
> There was quite a bit of effort in setting up the WAM group, and still the
> WAM 1988 paper is cited as "WAMDI (1988)". When you read the paper there is
> a *  with a footnote and the list.
>
> In our case we can have the full list of contributions in section 1.4 ,
> and if people want to cite it, have it cited as "WW3DG (2016)".
> Ideally people would cite the features they are using by citing all the
> papers that contribute to their set-up.
>
> I was the one who uploaded the manual on ResearchGate because I think this
> is a way to get the right exposure to the work. Theirs is an automatic
> system so it does require authors.... the same is not true for a paper. I
> can update the way the authors appear there if needed (I've just moved
> Hendrik first... it should be updated soon) but I made it clear that the
> stuff should be cited (if ever) as we agreed - and I'll update that to
> whatever is the final consensus.
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309617034_User_manual_and_system_
> documentation_of_WAVEWATCH_III_R_version_516
>
> Also I encourage Henrique, who at some point was tipped to lead the
> publication of a proper paper in a journal like 'Computers and Geosciences"
> to actually make a formal paper about the updates in going to v4.18 and/or
> v5.16...  But as far as counting citations and the like, a NCEP report,
> however fine, does not count so much (at least for the evaluation of
> research as done today in France).
>
> So I think that having the details in section 1.4 is very important (so
> that people can contact the proper authors of different pieces). How we
> want this to be cited really depends on whether we want to emphasize more
> the different contributions or the group effort.
> In the end I know that we do not get funded for that group effort, and I
> can understand Jian Guo's argument. Still, it is easy to underestimate the
> group effort and work in making everything work seamlessly, a lot of which
> was done at NCEP. Now that Hendrik is not at NCEP anymore, it is a little
> odd to have the thing as Tolman et al., although we have an immense debt to
> his dedication... so I think we need the group first.
>
> If we put group + list of people in citations, it will often be cropped as
> "XX et al." as happens to papers with long list of authors, e.g. "Dee et
> al. " for the ERA-Interim as cited in
> http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00015.1
>
> So, if counting citations on reports matter for some of the contributors,
> we could add the list of authors in the bibtex entry ...
> but it seems to me that there is more risk that it will get deformed to
> anything possible.
>
> Fabrice
>
>
>
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