[Ncep.list.idp.mrms.users] Some bad Canadian Radar data not getting QC'd out of MRMS, impacting QPE

[Karen Cooper - NOAA Affiliate]

I've forwarded the question to some of the scientists and developers.  We
will be looking into what the problem is and getting back to you soon.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Joseph Moore - NOAA Federal <
joseph.moore at noaa.gov> wrote:

> Thank you for the quick response, Derek! I look forward to follow-up from
> NSSL as they have time.
>
> -Joe
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Derek VanPelt - NOAA Affiliate <
> derek.vanpelt at noaa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks much for the detailed feedback.  I am going to pass this email
>> back to the MRMS development team at NSSL, as they will be best to respond
>> and address your concerns.
>>
>> If there is anything else we can do please let us know.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Joseph Moore - NOAA Federal <
>> joseph.moore at noaa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to share some feedback on MRMS and Canadian Radar data.
>>> We've noticed that some mornings we see the Canadian radar reflectivity
>>> data not being QC'd out of MRMS, causing errors in QPE. This was an issue a
>>> week ago when we had a period of heavy rainfall, but then the QPE got
>>> exaggerated (values increased due to bad reflectivity) along the
>>> international border in northern Minnesota. I have attached (via Google
>>> Drive) a few GIFs of MRMS products this morning demonstrating the bad
>>> reflectivity values being ingested and accumulating on the QPE product in
>>> northern Minnesota.
>>>
>>> Problem: Some high reflectivity values from morning inversions are being
>>> ingested into MRMS precip products from our Canadian radars. (Specifically
>>> Dryden radar and occasionally the Superior West (Thunder Bay) radar site.)
>>>
>>> Expected behavior: Since there is no precip in the area (no clouds), I
>>> would expect these values to be QC'd out like MRMS usually does.
>>>
>>> When the problem occurs: Usually in the morning hours when a strong
>>> inversion is present.
>>>
>>> Urgency: This is not an urgent issue, but it would be good to see
>>> addressed eventually since MRMS precip impacts so many things downstream,
>>> like FLASH.
>>>
>>> Linked GIFs show (from top left, clockwise): GOES-16 Clean IR Ch 11,
>>> GOES-16 Red Vis Ch 2, 0.5 degree NEXRAD Reflectivity composite, and the
>>> MRMS product in question. (In one GIF I included the MRMS 1-hour QPE to
>>> show that MRMS is accumulating these reflectivity values as precip.)
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any other questions. I can continue to send
>>> examples if it would help diagnose the issue.
>>>
>>> **NOTE** This has NOTHING to do with the MRMS outage this morning even
>>> though some of the frames in this GIF are from when the issues were
>>> happening.
>>>
>>> -Joe Moore
>>> ​
>>>  2018-07-18-12z-mrms-Composite-1KM.gif
>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/noaa.gov/file/d/17tHY7INKLiHiFBgI6I9xuB0ZnYElTyRA/view?usp=drive_web>
>>> ​​
>>>  2018-07-18-12z-mrms-RALA.gif
>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/noaa.gov/file/d/1NhS2-2jMclsi6bEB38Z-J0Ubvak35wx3/view?usp=drive_web>
>>> ​​
>>>  2018-07-18-12z-mrms-SHSR+1hr-QPE.gif
>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/noaa.gov/file/d/15f0nxGsdgU_uFUzy9MEywXrNdOU0e5xw/view?usp=drive_web>
>>> ​​
>>>  2018-07-18-12z-mrms-SHSR.gif
>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/noaa.gov/file/d/1T7TIPx5Hh7Fk8L3Vfj-D8csl95NkJtCy/view?usp=drive_web>
>>> ​
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Joseph J. Moore*
>>> Meteorologist | WFO Duluth Social Media & IDSS Program Leader | Open
>>> Source GIS Evangelist
>>> NOAA/National Weather Service Duluth, MN
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Derek Van Pelt
>> IDP Onboarding
>> NOAA/NCEP/NCO
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Joseph J. Moore*
> Meteorologist | WFO Duluth Social Media & IDSS Program Leader | Open
> Source GIS Evangelist
> NOAA/National Weather Service Duluth, MN
>



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