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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I appreciate Jessica’s work to manage such a large development group and get the public release out in time but I could not agree with Jessica on that “</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">it
would be unrealistic to keep up the continually growing list of names in so many different places (first page, Section 1.4, bibtex entries in multiple places, etc etc.)” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Most of those people have spent years developing this model. It took them ages to code it and validate it before we get to the present state of the model. Comparing with their
hard work, compiling a full list of them on one page of the manual is trivial, extremely trivial. I have extracted the full list from the manual in 5 minutes by just copy and paste plus some minor editing (see the attachment).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Putting the author list right is showing the basic respect to those people who have contributed to the model development. This is the only way to formally recognise people’s
contributions in today’s scientific world. First author is a honour to the main contributor and I agree with Arun at that Hendrik is the undisputable first author of this model. Although this manual is not a formal publication, it is used as a reference
to the model. So we should treat it as a formal scientific paper/book.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">It is acceptable the others quote this manual as Tolman et al … but it is not appropriate for us to do that at the very original place. Two similar papers for the WAM and WISE
groups have provided the full author list right after the group name. We could follow the examples if you prefer a development group name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This is my opinion and I am exercising my democracy right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Kind regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Jian-Guo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group-bounces@lstsrv.ncep.noaa.gov
[mailto:ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group-bounces@lstsrv.ncep.noaa.gov] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Jessica Meixner - NOAA Affiliate<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 November 2016 03:12<br>
<b>To:</b> ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group@lstsrv.ncep.noaa.gov<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ncep.list.wwatch3.discussion-group] WWIII Developer Meeting Minutes -- Wed Nov 16 (IMPORTANT info inside)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi Everyone, </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">IMPORTANT: LAST CALL FOR UPDATES TO SECTION 1.4 OF THE MANUAL BY FRIDAY</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">.
Please go through and confirm that your contributions are correct and accounted for. For quick reference see <a href="http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/wavewatch/manual.v5.16.pdf" target="_blank">http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/waves/wavewatch/manual.v5.16.pdf</a>
You can either put your updates directly into the doc_edits branch or email them to me. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">OPTIONS for citing manual</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Option 1</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">: <br>
<span style="color:black">The WAVEWATCH III® Development Group (WW3DG), 2016: User manual and system documentation of WAVEWATCH III® version 5.16. Tech. Note 329, NOAA/NWS/NCEP/MMAB, College Park, MD, USA, 326 pp. + Appendices. </span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">--- The reasons for this option is to emphasize that WAVEWATCH III is now a community code and solves this issue for future issues as well. A further example for
support of this is Linux for example no longer is citing Linus. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Option 2</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
<span style="color:black">Tolman, H.L. and The WAVEWATCH III® Development Group (WW3DG), 2016: User manual and system documentation of WAVEWATCH III® version 5.16. Tech. Note 329, NOAA/NWS/NCEP/MMAB, College Park, MD, USA, 326 pp. + Appendices.</span></span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-- This option would give a person for the first author, which helps some of the concerns when citing on certain websites/publishers
which might force a "human" and keeps the Development Group to emphasize the community. An open </span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">question</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> is
if a fake human "WW3DG" could be entered in these places, making this potentially unnecessary. </span><br>
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<u><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Option 3</span></u><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">: </span><br>
<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Tolman, H.L., et al., 2016: User manual and system documentation of WAVEWATCH III® version 5.16. Tech. Note 329, NOAA/NWS/NCEP/MMAB, College Park, MD, USA, 326 pp. + Appendices.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">- There are some that have a desire to have a full list of authors, which realistically would be shorted to Tolman et al by most if not all websites/publishers/people. Also it would
be unrealistic to keep up the continually growing list of names in so many different places (first page, Section 1.4, bibtex entries in multiple places, etc etc.) So we would probably just say Tolman et al with the list authors still being maintained only
in Section 1.4 and any individuals who wish to list the whole list other places. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The only consensus we had on the call was that if there is a person first, Tolman would be that author, and to take this discussion off-line. I would venture to
say option 1 is fine with the majority and option 2 if a person for first author is a must, but I could be wrong and this is a democracy, so feel free to voice other opinions. A choice one way or another will be made by Friday. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Other manual updates will include a "Please refer as" on the front page with the agreed upon citation. We will also provide a text file with the bibtex reference
of the manual as a cheat sheet so anyone who downloads the code will have an easy reference. We will also update Section 1.4's heading with "The WAVEWATCH III Development Group". </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">OTHER MEETING NOTES: </span></b><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There are many other milestones and plans for version 6, that are on the wiki page. Please add your milestones that are not included and details
for the ones that are. Also, please add tickets for bugs that you have found, so we can all keep track of issues together. For example, if you have details on the memory footprint issues or NC4 issues you have encountered put them in a ticket. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Fabrice, at NCEP our only "forum" is the wiki we currently have. If you would like to create any other forums, feel free. </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Something that got left out of the meeting is that the trunk will be updated to version 6.00 after the updated manual goes out. I will send out an email update when that happens.</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Monthly calls are every third Wednesday at 10:30am EDT (Next one being Wednesday, December 21st). Let me know if you have anything you would like to present at this
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