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    <p>Hi Jacob.</p>
    <p>Many thanks for letting me know the reference values for the DFI
      filter parameters you use operationally with you NAM CONUS. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Definitely, we will do some verification, some parallel runs with
      different filter parameters. In our case, so far, we are not doing
      analysis, so interpolating from global model (10 or more km
      horizontal resolution) to NMMB 2.5 km resolution. It can be that
      the error introduced by the resolution change jumping needs
      another kind of filter parameters, no clear idea, I am not an
      expert in balancing stuff. In any case, we now have all the
      ingredients to tune our DFI and to have the surface parameters at
      t=0! <br>
    </p>
    <p>Many thank to all.</p>
    <p>Pau<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 20/04/18 a les 14:11, Jacob Carley -
      NOAA Federal ha escrit:<br>
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cite="mid:CADWMng1=n8oFMXj_ad1-E3PTxEGW2xUbfW+tDxt99bCdBKx_tA@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">Hi Pau,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If you run one of the DFI variants that involves a
          backward, adiabatic integration at such a high resolution you
          can run into instability issues.  I suggest keeping the filter
          window length short and making the filter timestep short as
          well.  For reference, here is what we use for the operational
          3km NAM CONUS Nest at NOAA/NCEP/EMC:</div>
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            <div>##### Fundamental Timestep (seconds) #####</div>
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            <div>dt_int: 6           # Integer seconds</div>
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            <div>dt_num: 1          # Numerator of fractional second</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>dt_den: 4          # Denominator of fractional second</div>
          </div>
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            <div><br>
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          <div>
            <div>filt_dt_int: 2             # Integer seconds</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>filt_dt_num: 0             # Numerator of fractional
              second</div>
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          <div>
            <div>filt_dt_den: 4             # Denominator of fractional
              second</div>
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            <div>###################################</div>
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          <div>
            <div>##### Digital Filtering options ###</div>
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            <div><br>
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          <div>
            <div>filter_method: 3            # 0---&gt;none ;
              1---&gt;DFL ; 2---&gt; DDFI ; 3---&gt;TDFI</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div><br>
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          <div>
            <div>nsecs_dfl: 1800             # HALF foward filter window
              (s)          (DFL)</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>nsecs_bckddfi: 1800         # HALF backward integration
              duration (s) (DDFI)</div>
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          <div>
            <div>nsecs_fwdddfi: 3600         # HALF foward filter window
              (s)          (DDFI)</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>nsecs_bcktdfi: 600         # HALF backward filter
              window (s)        (TDFI)</div>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>nsecs_fwdtdfi: 600         # HALF forward filter window
              (s)         (TDFI)</div>
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        Hope this helps!
        <div>Jacob<br>
          <div><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:30 AM, Marco
          Biordi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              href="mailto:marco.biordi@gmail.com" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">marco.biordi@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <div>We're using 3600.<br>
                  <br>
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                Anyway keep this value to be an integer multiple of the
                time step, elsewhere give error.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
                    color="#888888"><br>
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              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Marco<br>
                </font></span></div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-20 9:50 GMT+00:00 Pau
                    <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        href="mailto:pescribaa@aemet.es" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">pescribaa@aemet.es</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                        <p>Hi Marco,</p>
                        <p>Thanks very much for the answer, we are going
                          to test it right now.</p>
                        <p>We should see if DFI changes our verification
                          scores but I would expect it doesn't, taking
                          into account we are not doing analysis cycling
                          with NMMB. <br>
                        </p>
                        <p>Just a small question, apart from
                          filter_method=3, are using the regular values
                          for filtering parameters:</p>
                        <p>nsecs_bcktdfi: 3600         # HALF backward
                          filter window (s)        (TDFI)<br>
                          nsecs_fwdtdfi: 3600         # HALF forward
                          filter window (s)         (TDFI)<br>
                        </p>
                        <p>?</p>
                        <p>In our case we are running with around 2.5 km
                          horizontal resolution and 5.625 seconds of
                          time step. Probably we should make some
                          tunning of this parameters...<br>
                        </p>
                        <p>Many thanks.</p>
                        <p>Pau<br>
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                          class="m_-6799693077398366421m_4924499790318523189moz-cite-prefix">El
                          20/04/18 a les 10:37, Marco Biordi ha escrit:<br>
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                                  <div>Hello Pau,<br>
                                    <br>
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                                  you can get t=0 missing parameters
                                  when you enable the Digital Filter
                                  Initialization.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Do that by setting configuration
                                  option "filter_method" to value 1 or 2
                                  or 3 (usual one).<br>
                                  <br>
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                                <div>Regards<br>
                                </div>
                                <div><br>
                                  Marco Biordi<br>
                                  <br>
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                                <div>San Marino Republic Weather
                                  Forecast Center<br>
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                                <div><a href="http://meteo.sm"
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2018-04-20 8:26
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                                      href="mailto:pescribaa@aemet.es"
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                                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                    solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello all,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I am a new user of NMMB model. I
                                    work at the Spanish Met Agency with
                                    <br>
                                    several NWP-LAM models. We are
                                    running daily NMMB at home and we
                                    see <br>
                                    that, after UPP processing, we don't
                                    get some surface parameters like <br>
                                    t2m, rh2m, u10m, v10m or visibility,
                                    at t=0, but we do for any lead time
                                    <br>
                                    t&gt;0. After dedicating some time
                                    to look to UPP and NMMB user's
                                    guides <br>
                                    and namelists, I am quite sure this
                                    variables cannot be got in an easy <br>
                                    manner for t=0. Could anybody
                                    confirm me this? In such a case, we
                                    have <br>
                                    to do some further final work with
                                    vertical interpolations and so.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Thanks in advance!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Pau Escriba<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Spanish Met Agency (AEMET)<br>
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